The American Mind

(Announcer) Welcome to Episode #10

of the Sean “Chillers Coalition” Hackbarth
Show!!

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(Sean Hackbarth) Hello guys and gals, it’s wussification and Oprah Winfrey all throughout America and I am your host, the one and only, the biggest Coalition Chiller of them all,

Seaaan Hackbarth!

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(Sean Hackbarth)
“To those Bolton groupies I ask: What has he done of real significance to advance U.S. interests? I can’t think of anything off-hand.”

The Democrats want to remove Donald Rumsfeld from Secretary of Defense?

Bleh… Let em do it!

They want to remove John Bolton from Un Ambassadorship?

Bleh… Let em do it!

(Audience Clapping)
Yaaaaaay!
Wuss! Wuss! Wuss!
Wuss! Coalition Chiller Sean is my hero!

(Announcer)
And now ladies and gentlemen, Sean Hackbarth will attempt to defend his Carpet Bagging ways against Jeff MacMillan “The Real Conservative.”

(Audience Booing)
Jeff you suck! We want the wuss! Sean is our hero!

(Jeff MacMillan)
Well?
Let’s see what John Bolton accomplished:

1) In his first act he defeated a UN reform Resolution based on its language that was damaging to America and Israel and introduced one with better language that was far more fair.

(Sean Hackbarth)
Bleh!

Who cares…

“I’d argue Paul Volker and Sen. Norm Coleman have done more to get the U.N. to reform.”

(Jeff MacMillan)
What exactly have they done to reform anything at the UN?

At least John Bolton has single handidly shot down UN resolutions damaging to America.

(Sean Hackbarth)
Cricket…
Cricket…
Cricket…

Bleh….

I still think the replacement John Miller is kewl!

(Jeff MacMillan)
But, doesn’t replacing John Bolton said the wrong message to all of our allies at the United Nations?

Aren’t we in effect saying to everyone that what John Bolta has been preaching is wrong? That we are now replacing him after 2 short years sends a message that America can’t diplomatically defend itself?

(Sean Hackbarth)
Uhm…
Well….

Jeff, would you like a membership to the Coalition Chillers association?

We play carpet to everyone!

(Audience Clapping)
Yaaaaaaaay!
Wuss! Wuss! Wuss!
Wuss! Wuss!

The UN as far as I can tell Sean has NOT reformed in the slightest.

It is still every bit as the Oil for Food Scandal, Dictatorship style, rule of an organization is always was.

To push off John Bolton as having done nothing is incredibly ignorant.

John Bolton, as ambassadors are suppoesed to be, was the voice of America’s diplomatic arm.

John Bolton helped fight to get Israel to pull back its troops from Lebanon.

Why was that a good thing?

With a liberal leftist EHUD Olmert in power in Israel, there was no snow balls chance that Israel would accomplish its goals in a war against Hezzbollah.

John Bolton played a key part in that at the United Nations.

Ehud Olmert was a disgrace and is a disgrace. He ignored completely his generals on the ground in favor of Liberal, Lefty, Wussy-ness.

We are saying to the world that America no longer supports having a strong diplomatic orator and policy shaper…

Instead the world is going to view America as a paper tiger (once again).

And all you can do is shrug your shoulders about it?

That’s why I sorta laugh everytime you say anything conservative, because you personally lack the spine on any conservative principle(s) you supposedly support Sean.

If I were you I would paper shred your Coalition of the Chillers membership card before you start saying even crazier things.

Since I think the U.N. is a failed body it doesn’t really matter who is the United States’ voice. I’d be more than happy to pull out and stop the U.N from sucking off America’s tit.

Now, that’s quite radical.

You gotta give it to ol’ Jeff – he’s trying, at least.

BREAKING: John Bolton Resigns…

UN Ambassador John Bolton will step down at the end of his recess appointment and not go through a Senate confirmation process that is sure to end badly.
Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his recess appo…

Trying…to be funny? I can’t tell.

“Sean Hackbarth wrote:

Since I think the U.N. is a failed body it doesn’t really matter who is the United States’ voice. I’d be more than happy to pull out and stop the U.N from sucking off America’s tit.

Now, that’s quite radical. ”

Except, until our Federal Government is willing to pull America out of the United Nations, we will need someone like John Bolton (IN) the United Nations to give the other nation’s ambassadors the approrpriate diplomatic message.

What does it say about America’s foreign policy having a Liberal Lefty Nutcase as a replacement to John Bolton?

How would we conduct a 2-faced foreign policy?

Say something silly and liberal in the UN, and then President Bush has to “retract” that statement and approach to the American people?

John Bolton was by far the best orator and policy shaper that I’ve ever known in my 26 years.

Sorry..

But you have a way Sean of treating an absolute LOSS as if it’s a Victory.

And doing it only makes you look weaker than you already are from the filibuster of judges incident.

Whose going to vote for the Republican Party now that they have shown to *CAVE IN* to the Democrats even (after) they lose an election.

Republicans lost the past election because the American people were fed up with the Lincoln Chafees of the world giving the Democrats everything they want on a platter.

To just shrug our shoulders while our Republican Party continues down this destructive path is horrendous.

I wonder if Sean Hackbarth

is prepared now to take back his statement,

“Most people will forget about the Filibustering of Judges incident anyhow by election time…”

Now that Republicans have put themselves out of power over it?

The American People are not as stupid and retarded and short term memory as Sean Hackbarth would have everyone believe.

The Republican Party is quickly giving us Conservatives nothing, absolutely nothing, to feel proud of.

He’s only 26? I was picturing a crotchety old Michigan Militia type sitting in a hermit shack in the UP all this time. Go figure.

Jeff, most people (except you) did forget the judicial filibuster. That wasn’t on anyone’s radar screen.

You are wrong Sean.

2 out of the 7 members of the John McCain twits regarding the filibustering of judges were voted out of office.

Many constituents of these members (Lincoln Chafee for example) called into the Sean Hannity show just 1 month away from elections to explain why they weren’t going to vote for Lincoln Chafee, because of the filibustering of judges.

Your ignorance on this Sean is laughable.

Dave,

I am actually stuck in metro detroit (hence) my need to bash liberals to preserve what’s left of my sanity.

4 years at a university in which everyone around you is Turbo Liberal and spitting on the graves of our fallen soldiers will make anyone dang near insane.

Jeff, if you’ve been bashing liberals for 4 years, why aren’t you any better at it?

Chet,

#1) I’ve been bashing them for most of my entire life time of 26 years.

Via the Internet since 1999 (or 1995 if you count BBSing against Liberals).

#2: I have yet to receive any intelligent counter to any of my comments against liberalism.

I ask DJ for proof regarding his statement,

“I never received a benefit from a Bush tax cut.”

I have never heard from him since I challenged him on that.

I bash Liberals successfully because I expose how much they lie and basically quit/change the subject when they lose the argument.

You lost the argument against me regarding Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction repeatedly.

Unless you want to pretend that Sarin and Mustard Gas artillery shells was never mentioned in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union Speech?

Or that the Chlorine Plant was not part of the UN resolution against Saddam’s WMD programs? I.E. the UN inspectors requested it to be shut down for good reason and Saddam Hussein started it up again.

Or that somehow Saddam Hussein forbidding UN Inspectors to inspect for WMDs in Al Tuwaitha where large amounts of Uranium and Enriched Uranium were stockpiled isn’t a WMD violation.

Chet,

You also have refused to say whether or not you believe there was a Republican Conspiracy regarding Oil Prices before this last election.

You were upset that I said you believed there was a conspiracy, but you never bothered to actually say whether or not I was correct in saying you believed in one.

Pointless, Perpetual, Denial is not how an argument is won.

Otherwise, I can make all of my posts a lot shorter and just say “NO!” in reply to everything you say.

You still haven’t responded to my question about whether or not you’re an unmarried virgin, either. Your point?

Whoo, big man. “Here’s a list of all my perceived victories while arguing on the internet!” I dunno if you’ve heard this before, but arguing on the internet is like the special olympics–even if you win, you’re still retarded.

Another quick point:

This is the fundamental difference between you and i, Jeff–at least, when it comes to our online personas. I’m here looking for engaging, interesting dialogue and debate with a civil point-counterpoint (which i’ve gotten from Sean, MjM, Matt, Chet, and Tee Bee). You come here to pick fights and “win” arguments. There’s a big difference, and i like to think that difference in approach is why you’re the one that everyone is always seen pleading at to “get your own blog” or “be civil,” and no one seems to have those problems with me.

“You also have refused to say whether or not you believe there was a Republican Conspiracy regarding Oil Prices before this last election.”

Jeff, what evidence do you have that there was a conspiracy?

“You lost the argument against me regarding Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction repeatedly.”

Actually I rebutted all your points, to which your only response was to insult the memory of a fallen American soldier and my best friend.

So, you know, go fuck yourself. I couldn’t give two shits about what you think you’ve won and lost. You’re an idiot – how would you even know?

Chet wrote,

“Jeff, what evidence do you have that there was a conspiracy?”

ROFL!

I don’t believe there was a conspiracy Chet.

I am asking YOU whether or not, prior to the election, if you believed there was an oil prices going down conspiracy.

Did you or did you not believe there was a conspiracy prior to the last general election?

“Actually I rebutted all your points, to which your only response was to insult the memory of a fallen American soldier and my best friend.”

I rebutted your rebutts plain and cleanly.

And it was you that I recall listing a huge defense of Saddam Hussein (of which none of it had any truth to it) and then only moments later posting about your best friend dying in Iraq.

You used your best friend to defend Saddam Hussein!

You said, “My best friend died and it was for nothing,” to paraphrase your archived post.

And I stepped in and said that you are basically spitting on your best friend’s grave by defending the very Dictator that was the purpose of his mission in Iraq!

You are such a liberal lefty to continue to distort everything in order to make yourself feel better for using your dead best friend for your PRO Saddam Hussein manner.

I felt at the time and still do that you replaced your best friend with Saddam Hussein.

I fully expect to see “tears” from you when Saddam is hanged.

Your entire history of posting about Saddam Hussein has produced not 1 condemnation towards Saddam.

All you do to REBUT anything is to say “NO!”

And that’s not a rebut.

I proved that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction quite handidly.

You have yet to prove that the Sarin and Mustard Gas filled Artillery Shells aren’t mentioned in President Bush’s 2003 State of the union speech.

Your rebut to the Sarin and Mustard Gas artillery shells was that these artillery shells were not filled with Mustard or Sarin Gas.

I proved that wrong quite handily…

They were indeed filled and one Sarin Artillery shell was used against our soldiers.
Luckily the Sarin Gas didn’t go off appropriately.

It amazes me that the Liberals have to fall in love with Saddam Hussein in order to support their belief system.

Or is it more of a disbelief and denial ideology?

I’ve also proved to CHET that some of the Uranium in Al Tuwaitha was enriched Uranium.

I also proved to CHET that the UN Inspectors were not given access to Al Tuwaitha because of Saddam Hussein.

I proved that Saddam was building more places and moving in people and growing plants that give off a chemical used to nullify VX Nerve Gas.

The only successful rebut that CHET ever made in the WMD debate was that I mistakenly thought that it was VX Nerve Gas Substitute.

In actuality, it is a VX Nerve Gas nullifier.

In either gas, it is part of a WMD program and a violation of the UN Resolutions regarding WMDs.

In either case, Al Tuwaitha had Enriched Uranium by the load and Saddam Hussein forbid UN Inspectors and forbid the UN to ship out and dispose of the Uranium.

The WMD mobile labs are still a mystery.

They are indeed quite possible WMD mobile weapons labs still.

The only alternative provided to my knowledge was that they were for weather ballons.

But, that seems to be Area 51 esque:-\

There were certain characteristics of these mobile labs which made no sense regarding them being for purely civilian purposes.

There’s no single civilian use which quantifies all of the traits of these mobile trailers.

It like the 3 trucks that feld to Syria before the war,

and the 2 or 3 trucks that had Chemical Weapons that travelled from Syria to Jordan

all remain a mystery in which is has never been eliminated the possibility of Iraqi WMDs.

No one is 100% sure whether Saddam Hussein is responsible for the Chemicals in the Jordanian chemical bomb plot.

No one really knows anything or if they do they aren’t saying anything publicly about it.

But, that was one huge WMD threat which endangered the lives of Americans and could have killed as many as 20,000!

And that would have dwafed 9/11/01 considerably.

I am not so sure that the plot would have been unsuccessful had our troops not invaded Iraq.

The unmanned aerial vehicle program and the long ranged missiles are easily part of a WMD program.

Both could have jeopardized the lives of our fighting men and women patrolling the no fly zone.

Both could have given Saddam the ability again to launch missiles into Israel.

Saddam Hussein was an evil man and for CHET to play “Denial”
like he does..

It’s ridiculous.

Why is it that Liberals can get away with what I call

“Drive-By Posting”

They drive by a thread,
“Post You are wrong”

and then they drive by to the next post and type
“You are wrong.”

Liberals like Chet never actually discuss any details and get offended when details are brought out in a debate.

There’s no way CHET rebutted anything other than to “Drive-By” and “Post NO!”

Good lord.

Now Jeff’s trying to win an argument about whether or not he wins the arguments he says he wins. On the internet.

“I am asking YOU whether or not, prior to the election, if you believed there was an oil prices going down conspiracy.”

What evidence is there, Jeff, that there was such a conspiracy? If there is no evidence, why would I believe in a conspiracy?

“Your entire history of posting about Saddam Hussein has produced not 1 condemnation towards Saddam.”

That’s absolutely false, Jeff. In fact in several threads I was the only one who commented to condemn Saddam.

But my committment to the facts and to the truth is greater than my need to condemn Saddam, so I can’t condemn him for things he did not do and weapons I proved he did not possess.

“I proved that Saddam was building more places and moving in people and growing plants that give off a chemical used to nullify VX Nerve Gas.”

Jeff – there’s NO SUCH THING as a plant that grows VX gas! This is how much of an idiot you are – you can’t even read the plain language of your sources. They said “plant” as in “chemical plant”, not plant as in “vegetable.”

You’re an astounding idiot, Jeff. There are no such things as VX “plants” that you grow like crops. No such thing! They only exist in your mind, because you can’t understand a simple statement in English. You really couldn’t be any more of an idiot.

“What evidence is there, Jeff, that there was such a conspiracy? If there is no evidence, why would I believe in a conspiracy?”

So are you saying you do or do not believe in the Conspriacy?

A little less idiotic word games and little more “Yes or NO” would do wonders.

“Jeff – there’s NO SUCH THING as a plant that grows VX gas!”

That’s interesting because I never said one did.

I was referring to VX Nerve Nullifier.

And I don’t care if it comes from a veggie plant or from a Chemical Plant.

The fact is still the fact. It was being grown/manufactured/whatever.

DJ wrote,

“DJ wrote:

Good lord.

Now Jeff’s trying to win an argument about whether or not he wins the arguments he says he wins. On the internet. ”

Actually, CHET brought up the subject DJ.

But, you are the eternal CHET DEFENDER!As well as a magnificent liar.

I have yet to hear your defense of your lying statement:

“I never received a benefit from President Bush’s tax cuts.”

I have yet to see you defend that statement with any facts.

All you do is LIE, LIE , and LIE some more.

#14 Chet wrote,

“Chet wrote:

Jeff, if you’ve been bashing liberals for 4 years, why aren’t you any better at it?”

That’s what started the current debate DJ.

I didn’t start the debate. I was responding to CHET’s accusation that I am not successful at debating.

So you lying sack of liberals can just find another debate to march off and lie at.

DJ Wrote,

“DJ wrote:

You still haven’t responded to my question about whether or not you’re an unmarried virgin, either. Your point?”

This wasn’t a debate on each other’s personal lives. Nor is this the type of Web Blog site in which people get together to discuss and reveal their personal lives.

So… I am not responding to that question.

I have yet to hear you defend your LYING statement (DJ)

“I never received a benefit from President Bush’s tax cuts.”

Until I see a defense of that, I will continue to bring it up and expose the absolute LIAR that you are.

DJ wrote,

“There’s a big difference, and i like to think that difference in approach is why you’re the one that everyone is always seen pleading at to “get your own blog” or “be civil,” and no one seems to have those problems with me. ”

No you just label me as “retarded” and I guess that’s being civil?

You just pry into my personal life, accuse me of things you have no idea if they are true…

You have been anything BUT civil.

And again.. You don’t engage in point-counterpoint. You merely engage in LYING and then hiding off into the sunset when someone is asking you to prove your statements.

There isn’t much cosntructive conversation with you (EVER) when you never address your flat-out statements.

When I say I post here to win arguments,

I mean that I expect that people who post here would be civil enough to present some evidence to support their arguments.

Not that they will TROLL POST as you do DJ.

I don’t give a flying sack of shit who started it. That you’re so invested in WINNING it is what’s so sad.

By the way, i’ll reiterate what i said earlier:

“You still haven’t responded to my question about whether or not you’re an unmarried virgin, either. Your point?”

Every time you call me a “liar” because i refuse to play your stupid little game and send you results from some stupid online tax calculator that i’d have to enter my personal, private earnings into, i’m going to remind you that you just let that little question drop. You accuse me of avoiding debates while you avoid my requests for clarification on the consistency of your “no sex before marriage” position. Who’s a hypocrite now?

This wasn’t a debate on each other’s personal lives. Nor is this the type of Web Blog site in which people get together to discuss and reveal their personal lives.

Hahahahahahaha.

Yes, only Jeff is allowed to frame the parameters of every single debate. Uh huh. OK.

By the way, Sean, you’re welcome. Apparently i’ve given Jeff some other axe to grind other than your refusal to talk about the death penalty. I’m totally running interference for you, dude.

No you just label me as “retarded” and I guess that’s being civil?

Jeff, i tried being civil with you a long time ago. It didn’t work. I’m perfectly civil to everyone else who posts here, though.

Honestly, dude. You’re a lost cause. Why should i care how you perceive me, anyway? As far as you’re concerned, all liberals are evil liars anyway, so in your eyes, i’m already in the hole. There’s no point. So keep calling me a liar, dude. You’ve thought that about me from day one, and now you think you have some sort of proof to bandy about on a blog where no one cares except you. Congratulations.

I’m gonna eat dinner and go to band practice now.

Dj wrote,

“Jeff, i tried being civil with you a long time ago. It didn’t work. I’m perfectly civil to everyone else who posts here, though.”

Huh? I can’t remember anytime you were ever civil.

All you do is defend uncivil behavior by defending CHET no matter if he’s talking about Rush Limbaugh molesting children or that Conservatives that read Michele Malkin’s books are sexist.

You defend all of Chet’s uncivil behavior, while trumping up your own negative tone with me.

Chet, DJ, and myself are the only real active posters. Most everyone else reads articles far more often than they respond to them here.

So it is extremely easy to make baseless statements that it is just my fault that you happen to be uncivil with me.

“So keep calling me a liar, dude.”

Keep refusing to back up your lie:

“I never received a benefit from President Bush’s Tax Cuts”

and I am most certainly going to accuse of being a liar.

If you weren’t a liar then you would either:

1) Show precisely how you are not receiving any benefits from President Bush’s tax cuts.

or

2) Civilly apologize for making that statement in error!

All I can say is that I am glad it’s SEAN HACKBARTH that has to deal with you as a friend.

If you were my friend I would have dumped your butt a long time ago for your uncivil, perpetual lying.

Oooh, burn.