Boxer Points Out Condi Fact; Right Gets Apoplectic

by Sean Hackbarth

The right-wing outrage over Sen. Barbara Boxer mentioning Secretary of State Condi Rice doesn’t have children is overblown. If Boxer planned to strike out at Rice for being childless she did it in a very mundane, matter-of-fact way. I think the harsh reaction comes from the news coverage instead of the video. The NY Post editorial put the encounter this way:

Rice appeared before the Senate in defense of President Bush’s tactical change in Iraq, and quickly encountered Boxer.

“Who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price,” Boxer said. “My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young.”

Then, to Rice: “You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family.”

Breathtaking.

Simply breathtaking.

You’d think Sen. Boxer was peering down from her committee seat and scolding Secretary Rice for not procreating. Instead, Boxer, looking a tad frumpy in her glasses with all that grey said, “You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family.” That’s it.

This isn’t a case of feminism taking a backseat. It was just an anti-war, Bush bashing Democrat trying to use a non sequitur toward a cabinet member. Call it “Son of chickenhawk.” Boxer reasons that one lacks the capability to judge the Iraq War if one doesn’t have children who could be drafted (or volunteer) to fight it. It’s the same logic that only people with military experience can justly comment on war. I guess Abraham Lincoln shouldn’t have bothered with the Civil War, Franklin Roosevelt should have left World War II to those who donned the uniform, and all use “fighting keyboardists” should keep our big traps shut.

Greg Tinti has it right:

I’ve watched the video and I don’t think Boxer was trying to take a personal shot at Condi for being single and childless.

Instead, I think it’s fairly clear that Boxer was just trying to tweak the tired liberal meme that argues that people without military service (“Faux Klingons”) aren’t qualified to make decisions concerning the military into a new meme that claims that people who don’t have family members serving in Iraq aren’t qualified to argue in favor of an escalation of the war. Of course, it’s an incredibly stupid argument on its face since following Boxer’s logic to it’s inevitable conclusion would preclude her and many other members of Congress from making decisions about war and, really, anything else with which they don’t have personal experience or won’t be personally effected by.

Enough! Everybody, take off your angry hats, grab a beer, and enjoy the weekend.

Boxer and the Sonless Presidents”

“The Boxer Rebellion”

UPDATE: Speaking of beer Paula Abdul looks like she had a few too many before going on television.

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5 Responses to “Boxer Points Out Condi Fact; Right Gets Apoplectic”

1

Heh. I don’t think it was the chickenhawk meme. Sounded more to me like look, there are people who are paying a very real price for this decision, and we aren’t them. It behooves us to keep that in mind.

*shrugs*

*enjoys the weekend*

Thanks for stopping by! :D

2

I think the point is that it’s all too easy for people insulated from the consequences of decisions to fail to appreciate the effect of those decisions.

In fact a cynical person might accuse people insulated from consequences of completely disregarding them, on purpose.

3

Yeah.

I see where yer coming from Sean, and i’m glad i can always seem to be able to count on you for keeping a level head when the conservative wingnuts (like the NY Post) go all hyper-reactionary. However, the line of thought that says that “people who never served can’t know the consequences of going to war” has some merit. I mean, i see your point as well (after all, Clinton’s lack of service didn’t make him unqualified to be commander-in-chief, right? I mean, even though tons of Republicans said as much at the time…;) ), but you have to admit that it’s got to be a different perspective when your own flesh and blood is likely to go into battle so your corporate pals can profiteer off it.

OK, i’m getting ranty now, so i’ll stop…

4

Military service does give someone a different perspective. But that doesn’t mean that perspective trumps someone who doesn’t possess it. If that were the case civilian control of the military would be non-existent. That’s a situation I’m sure Sen. Boxer and those who espouse the chickenhawk argument would lament.

5

Just remember, Sean, that most of us from the left are coming at this from a fundamentally different set of assumptions. When you think, as i do, that this war in Iraq was not started because of any ideological struggle against Islamist terror, or for retribution for 9/11, or because of WMDs in Iraq, but because Corporate America wanted in on the profits that come with fat government recounstruction bids, and their old business buddies in the White House were only too happy to oblige, then the so-called “chickenhawk argument” carries MUCH more weight.

(Mind you, i think it’s much less black-and-white than “it’s all about profit” and somehow i believe that some sort of bizarre grand scheme for stabalizing the middle east was seen as a side benefit to making money, but it kills me how war supporters completely disregard that possibility. When it comes to politics, if you want to get at the truth, always follow the money. Cynical? Realistic.)

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