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Ho-hum. Another guy who’s perhaps best known for offending the easily offended has once again offended the sensibilities of someone. Oh, the difference this time is the sheer number of people offended…yeah, I’m totally shocked. Yawn.

If black people want to call out racism for slip of a tongue, first look at Miss Jones and what Miss Jones and her crew did about Tsunami victims. They made a whole rap about dying Asians in the tsunami, they believed it was totally funny, and they laughed. One of her crew who was Asian was against airing such material, but they ignored her and did it anyways. When black community stops being a racists themselves, they have the right to call out racists.

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone … “

Absolutely he should be fired.

He should be fired because he is no talent hack who nobody litens to.

He should be fired because he is no talent hack who nobody litens to.

Hey, i agree with Fred!

I didn’t even know Imus still had a show until this hit the news. That should tell you all you need to know about why these douchebags say the stupid shit they say.

When black community stops being a racists themselves, they have the right to call out racists.

So, when one black person says something racist, all black people are racists; but when Don Imus says something racist, it’s just his problem?

Dao – you’re a racist. Just a heads-up.

Chet, no name calling. What he said wasn’t racist.

What he said wasn’t racist.

I explained how it was. Can you rebut my reasoning, or do you simply refuse to allow a racist to be called a racist?

I didn’t see where Dao used Imus’s remarks to prove that the “white community” is racist. But one black person’s comment seemed to prove to him that all black people were racist.

How is that not racism?

Not a racist- just REALLY BAD at drawing comparisons……

LOL ok, I’m not a racist, but I did use a bad comparison. How about United Negro Fund? Is this a racist organization? If there was United White People Fund, would black people find that offensive? Why is it ok for black people to use language Imus used but not ok when everyone else uses it? It’s hypocritical. I didn’t see NAACP going after Miss Jones in the Morning for her atrocious roles in airing the rap that was racial toward dying Asians in the Tsunami, for days.

In my opinion, Imus needs to be fired to set an example so that radio show hosts of any race think twice before making any racial comments. And top of that, all the raps that’s topping the billboard chart right now, read those lyrics. It’s ok for these rappers to make such lyrics about ‘cuffin’ chicks and ho’s but not ok for someone else to use the term. I see double standard.

How about United Negro Fund? Is this a racist organization?

No, it’s not racist. Not at all. It’s never racist to fight racism, which is what the UNF does.

Why is it ok for black people to use language Imus used but not ok when everyone else uses it?

Do you have an example of a nationally-syndicated black radio personality with close ties to politics calling the Rutgers’ women’s basketball team “nappy-headed hos”?

No? Then I don’t see your point. As far as I’m aware, no black people ever called the Rutgers’ women’s basketball team “nappy-headed hos” on the radio, so your contention that it’s “ok when black people say it” is unsupported.

It’s ok for these rappers to make such lyrics about ‘cuffin’ chicks and ho’s but not ok for someone else to use the term.

It’s ok on their CD’s, which you can choose to buy, but you might have noticed that they bleep out that language when they play those songs on the radio. And it’s not like the rappers you’re talking about haven’t faced considerable criticism for their portayal of women from within the black community.

It’s not ok to call the Rutgers women’s basketball team “nappy-headed hos” on a nationally syndicated talk show. And it’s not ok to call all black people racists because of the comments of one person, like you did. In both cases, it’s racist.

How is it not racism? Just because you say it isn’t? Bullshit. I know racism when I see it, and what you said was racist, Dao.

Why don’t you comment on about what Miss Jones in the Morning show did 2 years ago. Are you even aware of what her show did? The reaction from black community was minimal over this issue compared to Imus, like heaven and earth difference. My comments are not racist, I’m calling out why is there a double standard. These raps are played over the same wave that Imus has his show on. And no, ‘cuffin’ ho’s and bitches’ are not bleeped out. Have respect for women, please.

Here is an article from MTV news archive that I found that covers most of what Miss Jones in the Morning show did.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496296/20050126/index.jhtml?headlines=true

FYI, she was not fired, she got a 2 week “vacation”, she showed no sign of guilt. Her so called “apologizes” was, “IF anyone was offended, I’m sorry”. Please, there is no IF, people were completely offended.

The lyrics to the “Tsunami Song” that was aired for days on Miss Jones in the Morning.

http://www.asianmediawatch.net/missjones/

Here you go dao. Find another strawman.

http://www.naacp.org/news/press/2005-01-28/index.html

Why don’t you comment on about what Miss Jones in the Morning show did 2 years ago.

I don’t even know who you’re talking about, but the reason I don’t have any comment is because Miss Jones isn’t on either Don Imus’s show or the Rutgers women’s basketball team.

So I don’t see what possible relevance her comments have, except to a racist who sees black people as “all the same” to him, and therefore if any black person is a racist, they all must be.

That’s why you’re a racist, Dao. Because you’re holding these basketball players responsible for everything black people have ever done to you. You don’t care who gets lynched (metaphorically speaking) so long as it’s a black face.

And no, ‘cuffin’ ho’s and bitches’ are not bleeped out.

Yeah, they are.

LOL, when I say minimal, I’m sure it’s easy to understand. What did they do other than writing an article and responding to a reporter, just so they don’t look like hypocrites. I didn’t see black community marching or threatening to boycott Miss Jones in the Morning sponsors. Good try though. =)

I don’t know what kind of radio station you listen to but no, they are not bleeped out sorry. Even many radio show hosts uses ho’s and bitches daily. And you are still misunderstanding my comment. If a community doesn’t do anything about someone racial (and not just everyday someone but another radio show host) in their own community, what does that mean?

“Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?” Matthews 7:3

That’s why you’re a racist, Dao. Because you’re holding these basketball players responsible for everything black people have ever done to you. You don’t care who gets lynched (metaphorically speaking) so long as it’s a black face.

-wow, i am really appalled at the blatant “name-calling” and misconstrued comments going on – brothers and sisters (as a disclaimer, don’t read that as a “black” reference) – enlighten yourselves and step out of the colored box you live in and recognize that all minorities are subject to racism. Until you recognize that, then there cannot be “justice” and we cannot change what people like Don Imus feel or say.

All dao’s doin is pointing out the fact that Miss Jones and her morning crew, got a slap in the hand for exhibiting extremely racist behavior when they aired (multiple times over a period of a few days) a song with racist-laced vernacular targeting tsunami victims and chinamen. Miss Jones and her crew hardly exhibited remorse for her actions because they weren’t sorry for being racists. For those of you who don’t know Miss Jones, aka, Tarsha Jones, she is a popular morning talk show host on a widely listened to hip hop station in nyc – what comes out of her mouth reaches many people – and perhaps, she doesn’t have politicians coming on her talk show, but she is perhaps even more influential to the general public. What she did 2 years ago was no less egregious than what Don Imus did – the only difference was that her’s was black on asian racism and his was white on black racism. Why is there a double standard in terms of the outcry, outrage, media coverage? I’m pretty sure that’s the point that dao wanted to make. Think about it. No one is saying it was okay for Don Imus to do what he did. No one is saying that he should not be fired – Miss Jones should have been fired as well.

Stop the “twisting of the words”, name calling and hating and recognize that your efforts are better spent building relationships, particularly between people of color.

I wouldn’t disagree with anything you said, lil k, but the problem is with how dao said what he said:

If black people want to call out racism for slip of a tongue, first look at Miss Jones and what Miss Jones and her crew did about Tsunami victims.

In essense, because one black radio host displayed abhorrent racist behavior, every black person should shut up about racism until they attack “their own” first. That’s not cool.

I admit my comparison was bad, and I admitted. But if Imus’ sponsors didn’t pull out, wouldn’t they be called racists by supporting a racist? So again using my bad comparison, if community doesn’t do anything about someone from their community being racist (and I’m not talking about just words, I mean actions). And it’s not just Miss Jones, all the racist/sexist lyrics used in many popular raps by black artists, Isiah Washington on gay people, list goes on, they either just get the “don’t do that” or a slap on the hand, why should they be any different than Imus?

What did they do other than writing an article and responding to a reporter, just so they don’t look like hypocrites.

They who? “Black people”, again? You’re a racist, Dao. You don’t have to keep proving it; we know.

enlighten yourselves and step out of the colored box you live in and recognize that all minorities are subject to racism.

Nobody’s said that they’re not, K. Learn to pay attention, ok? Sometimes some black people are racist against asians. Sometimes some asians, like Dao, are racist against black people.

Dao is a racist because he believes that one black racist means all blacks are racist. I don’t believe that, and you’ll see absolutely no indication in any of my posts that I believe all asians are racist just because Dao is.

That’s the difference. That’s why Dao is a racist and I’m not.

All dao’s doin is pointing out the fact that Miss Jones and her morning crew, got a slap in the hand for exhibiting extremely racist behavior when they aired (multiple times over a period of a few days) a song with racist-laced vernacular targeting tsunami victims and chinamen.

Sure, that happened and it was racist.

The solution to correcting that act of racism isn’t to give Don Imus a slap on the wrist. Just because someone else got away with it doesn’t excuse Imus’s long history of racist remarks and bigotism. Why would it?

the only difference was that her’s was black on asian racism and his was white on black racism.

Nonsense. There are many differences. One difference is that Don Imus is a nationally-syndicated radio talk show host, on whose show prominent national journalists and top GOP candidates have appeared, that reaches an audience of millions.

On the other hand, Miss Jones is a nobody that nobody’s ever heard of on a radio station that hardly anybody listens to.

No one is saying that he should not be fired – Miss Jones should have been fired as well.

So write a letter to the radio station. Calling all black people racists, as Dao did, is idiotic, hurtful, and bald racism.

Stop the “twisting of the words”, name calling and hating

I don’t hate Dao, I’m not twisting his words – you can read what he literally said above – and it’s not “name-calling” to point out racism. Grow up, K. Some people are racists, and they should be called out on it.

Dao, it wasn’t a “bad comparison.” Here’s what you said:

When black community stops being a racists themselves, they have the right to call out racists.

That’s not a comparison. That’s a direct statement that all black people (the “black community”) are racists.

Which is racist. So what does that make you?

comparison or statement or whatever you want to call it, it wasn’t a good line to use to make my argument, I admit. And I agree with DJ, that’s it’s not cool. But according to your logic calling the whole community a racist for not doing any actions against racists within the community, that makes me a racist? I still don’t understand this logic.

They who? “Black people”, again? You’re a racist, Dao. You don’t have to keep proving it; we know.

You linked me a news press release by NAACP, so when I said “they” I mean NAACP.

They who? “Black people”, again? You’re a racist, Dao. You don’t have to keep proving it; we know.

We who? “Black people”, “Asians”, “White people”, “Internet posters”? You’re a racist, Chet.

But according to your logic calling the whole community a racist for not doing any actions against racists within the community, that makes me a racist? I still don’t understand this logic.

You’re telling me it’s completely reasonable to expect every single black person in America to come down on a black radio host in a station that airs nowhere but NYC because she makes one remark, and that if they don’t do so, that’s proof that all black people are racist?

That’s ridiculous. You’ve used the fact that one black person on a radio show almost nobody listens to got exactly the same punishment as Don Imus – who has an audience that reaches millions and who has been saying racist stuff for years – as evidence that blacks are racist? That’s idiotic. If anything the fact that Don Imus got the same punishment for a much, much greater offense is proof of how people still don’t take racism very seriously.

it wasn’t a good line to use to make my argument, I admit.

How about you just admit that you said something racist, apologize about it, and we can move on?

You’re a racist, Chet.

LOL! If you want to insult me you’ll have to be a little more creative then just calling me something I’ve been saying about you.

Please stop calling one another racists. Highly opinionated, yes, but I haven’t seen anything that makes me think anyone here is behaving in a racist manner.

Miss Jones was used as an example, if you can’t understand that concept, I’m sorry. And it wasn’t one remark, she aired a rap that was racial against Asians that died in the Tsunami for “days” even after she got calls to stop airing it because it was racial. She thought it was totally funny, she didn’t show any sign of guilt.

Raps with lyrics that has sexist and racist remarks poison all the air waves all over US that reaches millions. That’s ok if you can’t understand that concept either.

LOL! If you want to insult me you’ll have to be a little more creative then just calling me something I’ve been saying about you.

Now this is funny, so since you said racist first that makes me less creative. Are you being prejudice toward less creative people? You are being a typical ignorant hypocrite. Why don’t you just admit that YOU just made a slip of a tongue and made a racial comment about “we”, apologize about it, and we can move on? =)

Miss Jones was used as an example, if you can’t understand that concept, I’m sorry. And it wasn’t one remark, she aired a rap that was racial against Asians that died in the Tsunami for days even after she got calls to stop airing it because it was racial. She thought it was totally funny, she didn’t show any sign of guilt.

Raps with lyrics that has sexist and racist remarks poison the air waves all over US that reaches millions. That’s ok if you can’t understand that concept either.

LOL! If you want to insult me you’ll have to be a little more creative then just calling me something I’ve been saying about you.

Now this is funny, so since you said racist first that makes me less creative. Are you being prejudice toward less creative people? You are being a typical ignorant hypocrite. Why don’t you just admit that YOU just made a slip of a tongue and made a racial comment about “we”, apologize about it, and we can move on? I’m just using your logic, I’m sorry if that’s offensive also.

Raps with lyrics that has sexist and racist remarks poison the air waves all over US that reaches millions. That’s ok if you can’t understand that concept either.

Except that they excerpt the racist remarks and language. Why is that a concept you can’t understand?

Why don’t you just admit that YOU just made a slip of a tongue and made a racial comment about “we”, apologize about it, and we can move on?

I don’t understand how “we” constitutes a racist remark. Can you explain?

Seriously, you’re not making any sense. You’re just trying to misdirect attention from your attitudes with these nonsensical accusations.

oh, so it’s ok for raps with sexist remarks aired to millions? And since Miss Jones in only in NYC that doesn’t reach millions like Imus, she doesn’t need same punishment as Imus?

So, when one black person says something racist, all black people are racists; but when Don Imus says something racist, it’s just his problem?

LOL, everyone who’s in connection with Imus is doing something about his action. It’s not just his problem. Should Imus be fired? Yes. Has the same action that was done to Imus been done toward Miss Jones or these raps with sexist/racist remarks? No.

If someone I know in my town assaults someone, and I just say “hey you shouldn’t be doing that”. Then I hear about someone from next town assaults someone on local TV news, and I goto his hearing with signs to say “He should goto jail”. I’m a hypocrite.

oh, so it’s ok for raps with sexist remarks aired to millions?

If you don’t like it, don’t buy those CD’s or listen to those stations. Write to the advertisers and express your displeasure.

But campaigning for Imus’s job isn’t going to get that material off the air. But I suspect you know that; this isn’t about sexist rap lyrics, this is about your support for a racist. Your support for someone who says things about black people you agree with.

And since Miss Jones in only in NYC that doesn’t reach millions like Imus, she doesn’t need same punishment as Imus?

I think you’re finally catching on. Took you long enough.

If you don’t like it, don’t buy those CD’s or listen to those stations. Write to the advertisers and express your displeasure.

obviously, you don’t get it. But thanks for providing another living proof. =)

So you admit, you are ok with these music with sexist remarks to be aired to millions?

But campaigning for Imus’s job isn’t going to get that material off the air. But I suspect you know that; this isn’t about sexist rap lyrics, this is about your support for a racist. Your support for someone who says things about black people you agree with.

LOL, are you even reading?

I think you’re finally catching on. Took you long enough.

So you admit, you are ok with local racists not being punished the same way as a racist show that reaches millions? I don’t live in NYC and never heard of Miss Jones, but I heard about her action over news, and I petitioned to axe her job. I don’t listen or even heard of Imus until recently, but I heard about Imus’ action over news, and I petitioned to axe his job. I don’t allow one racism over another, local or national. But I don’t see the same action taken toward all acts of racism.

So you admit, you are ok with these music with sexist remarks to be aired to millions?

We’ve covered that; they’re not aired. They’re bleeped out. If people want to buy the CD, I don’t have a problem with that; and if Don Imus wants to fill a CD with his own racist remarks people can buy that too.

I’d make the artistic expression argument, too, but I suspect that’s going to be right over your head.

If there’s a radio station in your market that airs sexist rap without bleeping the naughty words, take it up with them. Write to their advertisers. But, again, campaigning for Imus’s job, or saying that all black people are racists, isn’t going to have any effect on that.

So you admit, you are ok with local racists not being punished the same way as a racist show that reaches millions?

Yeah. The punishment should fit the crime. Stealing a car is a worse crime than stealing some gum. Saying something racist to 100 people is a lesser issue than saying something racist to millions.

If there’s a radio station in your market that airs sexist rap without bleeping the naughty words, take it up with them. Write to their advertisers. But, again, campaigning for Imus’s job, or saying that all black people are racists, isn’t going to have any effect on that.

This is why things are still going over your head. Who’s campaigning for Imus’ job? LOL And again, sexist remarks/expressions are not bleeped out on national broadcasts. By treating one racist to another racist inequally, makes you a hypocrite. Indirectly that hypocrite is supporting/allowing that racist.

Yeah. The punishment should fit the crime. Stealing a car is a worse crime than stealing some gum. Saying something racist to 100 people is a lesser issue than saying something racist to millions.

I’m glad you said that because NYC population is well over millions. Of course her show just doesn’t cover just NYC. And then there are other “millions” who read about it over the news. Good one on “saying something racist to 100 people is a lesser issue”, that made me chuckle right there. So Miss Jones’ racist act toward Asians, only applies to the Asians in NYC or say “100 Asians”, therefore it’s ok? =)

And again, sexist remarks/expressions are not bleeped out on national broadcasts.

I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that they are. You’re absolutely wrong about this.

I’m glad you said that because NYC population is well over millions.

And every single person in NYC listens to her show every day?

C’mon. Don’t be an idiot.

I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that they are. You’re absolutely wrong about this.

I’m sorry but they are not bleeped out, you are wrong. Current raps that are topping the billboard chart today, have lyrics with expressions that portrays treating/displaying/referring women in very sexist and derogatory ways. And they are not bleeped out, please.

And every single person in NYC listens to her show every day?

You are finally catching on, so most of the people who protested against Imus, are daily listeners to Imus show or just heard it from the news like myself?

C’mon. Don’t be an idiot.

Now, now. =)

I’m sorry but they are not bleeped out, you are wrong.

They are, though. I’ve heard it; they’ve been doing it for years.

And the thing you’re not even paying attention to is that rap and hip-hop are produced for white people at white-owned record labels. The biggest consumers of hi-hop are white kids in the suburb. It’s white people who own the radio stations.

Rap lyrics have been under fire from within the black community for years, so don’t act like they’re been ignoring the issue. The problem is that those lyrics make a lot of money for white people, and so those views are promoted. That’s “the game” that rappers like Jay-Z talk about.

And the thing you’re not even paying attention to is that rap and hip-hop are produced for white people at white-owned record labels. The biggest consumers of hi-hop are white kids in the suburb. It’s white people who own the radio stations.

Oh so, nothing can be done since white people own these record companies? So who owns and makes money off Imus’ show or his station? Who are Imus show’s main “consumers”? But this isn’t about who are the consumers or who makes money. This is about who’s offended and what actions have those offended been done toward these racist acts compared to other acts of racism. Firing Imus is a clear example of just actions done toward racism, and similar action should be done uniformly. Yet, that is not the case.

Rap lyrics have been under fire from within the black community for years, so don’t act like they’re been ignoring the issue. The problem is that those lyrics make a lot of money for white people, and so those views are promoted. That’s “the game” that rappers like Jay-Z talk about.

Words are cheap. These music offends the same achieved, established young black women who were offended by Imus’ racist remark. Actions, rage and outcry taken toward racists like Imus should be applied to all other form of racism, yet they are not.

Chet, give it a rest alrady. Yes, Dao shouldn’t have generalized the black community but his intentions are well justified. We as blacks need to keep our pride and/or feelings out of what is happening in reality. The Asian community has been typically picked on by both Blacks and Whites and somehow it is more “acceptable” to do so. For example, just walk into almost any middle school with an Asian person and I bet you wouldn’t have to wait 5 minutes before you hear any references to “Jackie Chan” or here utterences of “Ching, chow, chang” or something to that effect. Trust me, I have a best friend that is Asian, and while growing up, I can remember all the times he put up with insults that if similar statements would have been said to any other race would bring an outcry. I could tell it hurt him, but he seemed powerless to do anything about it. It wasn’t just him though, I’ve heard other Asians getting poked fun at by their peers. It happens, and I believe a lot of people know what I’m talking about.

It’s this type of mentality of letting things like that happen that make our own struggle harder for other races to grasp and empathize with. We need to police our own if we really want to make a difference is all I’m saying.

Please excuse my spelling or grammar errors. I’m human.

I don’t know where you live Chet, or what station you listen to, but I hear plenty of misogynistic phrases not bleeped out in songs. I hear ‘ho quite a lot.

she made fun of a tragedy (one that killed thousands of people), within days after the incident, they were still finding bodies.

thats like someone in china making a song about school shootings in america and putting it on the radio.

fire imus, but fire miss jones too