Giuliani Scores Points at Paul’s Expense

by Sean Hackbarth

Rudy Giuliani’s challenge of Rep. Ron Paul will go down as the high point of Paul’s longshot campaign. Many keyboards clicked away at Paul’s “blame the victim” view of Sep. 11. Rudy was the star and Paul the villain. Still, if any publicity is good publicity Paul and his rabid fans are jumping for joy.

Bithead writes,

As a person with libertarian tendencies, I’m publicly begging Ron Paul to shut up, put that traffic cone on your head and go stand in the corner. You’ve damaged our cause… the cause of freedom… long enough.

Another libertarian sympathizer, Jason Hayes, also blasts Paul,

Claiming that America is somehow responsible for the 9-11 attacks and for other terrorist attacks prior to 9-11 and after 9-11 is asinine. No one is responsible for islamist terrorism, except islamist terrorists.

If Allah’s use of scare quotes around “constitutionalism” is any indication Paul has set back for a decade that much-needed argument for limited government. When someone mentions the constitutionality of a program the easist response will be “You’re sounding like that crackpot Ron Paul.” As for the label “libertarian” you can add “America blaming” to the stereotype of them being drug legalizing, prostitution legalizing, road privatizing, selfish libertines with lots of facial hair. Paul damaged the brand.

Let me go back to Paul’s blowback argument. James Joyner, a man smarter than me on foreign policy (that’s what a Ph.D. will get you) lists a number of Osama bin Laden’s complaints with the U.S. So Paul is correct that Islamist terrorism is a response to U.S. foreign policy. Paul drops the ball big time when he ignores the nature of the nation state:

That said, Paul’s insinuation that the 9/11 attacks were therefore our fault is outrageous. We can simultaneously recognize that our policies make people angry and insist on our sovereign rate to act according to our interests. We can recognize that radical Muslims have grievances against us and insist that murdering innocents is an unacceptable means of expressing those grievances.

No one likes the “blame the victim” argument that somehow the U.S. deserved to lose 3000 people on Sep. 11, 2001 just as people cringe when a rapist claims his victim “asked for it” by wearing a short skirt and showing off her cleavage. Giuliani tapped into that sentiment beautifully.

UPDATE: If you go by internet polls Paul beat Giuliani 25-29%. Romney beat them both with 29% demonstrating his online campaign can get people to the internet polls.

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10 Responses to “Giuliani Scores Points at Paul’s Expense”

1

Sounds like Ron Paul is just echoing Dinesh D’Souza. I wonder why your candidates and writers hate America so much?

2

I just would like to point out–and i realize that i’m opening myself up to ridicule from the conservative peanut gallery, and i don’t care–that the treatment of Ron Paul’s views regarding American intervention in the Middle East (including lots of generous “he’s a moonbat” ridicule) perfectly exemplifies why the Democrats were right to refuse to debate on Faux News.

I find it patently hilarious that the one GOP candidate for President who is championing the pure conservatism guys like Sean are always calling for is getting the shaft because so many hardcore GOP-ers still firmly have their noses planted up Bush’s butt, which, incidentally, is the only place that masks how much the entire war effort stinks. The reduction of a complex grasp on exactly why we were attacked on 9/11 into an Idiocracy-compatable “oh, he wants to play ‘blame the victim’” is really intellectually dishonest and betrays the blinders that Bush loyalists have worn since the attacks.

3

The question that must needs be asked: Would buckling under to these complaints have prevented 9/11, and at what cost?

Because BinLaden has a complaint does not mean that complaint is automatically justified. Nor does it mean that the stated reasons he lists are the real motivation for his actions.

4

Would buckling under to these complaints have prevented 9/11, and at what cost?

Those planes didn’t knock down buildings in Toronto.

5

The question that must needs be asked: Would buckling under to these complaints have prevented 9/11, and at what cost?

Because BinLaden has a complaint does not mean that complaint is automatically justified.

I agree! These are important questions to be asked! But the fact that even entertaining them as questions leads to ridicule and labels of “blaming the victim” pretty much prevents them from being asked in the mainstream.

6

Oh, also:

Nor does it mean that the stated reasons he lists are the real motivation for his actions.

The other side of this is “just because George Bush says we were attacked because ‘the terrorists hate our freedom’ doesn’t mean that the real reasons are much more complex.

7

er, “aren’t more complex.” Sorry.

8

Hrm. Any chance that maybe Giuliani “scored points” because he’s Fox’s anointed one?

Rudy Giuliani’s much-publicized but misleading put-down of Ron Paul during Tuesday night’s Republican presidential debate should have been tempered by a report that Saudi Arabia, the country that spawned most of the 9/11 hijackers, has been one of Giuliani’s lucrative foreign clients. However, Fox News questioners Chris Wallace and Wendell Goler did not bring it up.

Perhaps this can be explained by the fact that the same Associated Press story that named Saudi Arabia as a Giuliani client listed News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News, as another Giuliani client. This AP story, which was not disputed by Giuliani or News Corporation, was carried on the Fox News website.

This writer had raised questions about Fox News’ co-sponsorship of the debate, based on the fact that the company had a relationship with Giuliani when he was mayor of New York City. But now we know that the relationship has continued into the period of time that Giuliani has been planning a presidential run. It is an obvious conflict of interest.

It was during a discussion of foreign policy that Paul, a Texas congressman, identified U.S. involvement in the Middle East, especially in Iraq, as a factor in the 9/11 attacks. Giuliani pounced on that, saying the claim was worse than absurd. “Rudy’s Wrath” was the headline as Fox News proclaimed Giuliani the winner of the exchange. However, the Fox News text-message poll, with 40,000 votes, gave Paul 25 percent over Giuliani’s 19 percent. Mitt Romney came in first with 29 percent.

Giuliani was the first Republican candidate to come on Fox News after the debate and talk about his performance. Co-host Sean Hannity wanted to focus on Giuliani’s comments on 9/11 and his attack on Paul. Later, Michael Steele, Maryland’s former Lieutenant Governor, was on Fox News, declaring that Giuliani had destroyed Ron Paul. “It’s done,” Steele said of Paul’s campaign. It wasn’t mentioned that Giuliani had campaigned for Steele when he ran for a Maryland Senate seat.

9

Hrm. Any chance that maybe Giuliani “scored points” because he’s Fox’s anointed one?

About as likely as Clinton telling the truth.

The other side of this is “just because George Bush says we were attacked because ‘the terrorists hate our freedom’ doesn’t mean that the real reasons are much more complex

And why on earth would you strive for complexity in answers? There’s a word for people who struggle for nuance, where there is none; “fool”.

10

And why on earth would you strive for complexity in answers? There’s a word for people who struggle for nuance, where there is none; “fool”.

Except in this case, there’s plenty.

Anyone who believes “the terrorists hate us for our freedom” is naive. Period.

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