McCain Has a Winning Issue with FISA

by Sean Hackbarth

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I bet you didn’t realize that right now the federal government has it hands tied and can’t use all the tools available to follow terrorist chatter. Intelligence agencies are being stymied in monitoring foreign communications that pass through the U.S. That’s because the House of Representatives led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused to vote on a bipartisan Senate bill that would have made modernized FISA. If brought to the floor of the House the bill would pass in a bipartisan manner with the help of 21 Blue Dog Democrats. Instead of dealing with a national security Pelosi let the House go on vacation.

In Today’s Wall Street Journal Senator Kit Bond (R-MO) and Reps. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) and Lamar Smith (R-TX) explain why FISA needs to be fixed for the 21st Centry. Here’s a portion:

Intercepting terrorist communications requires the cooperation of our telecommunications companies. They’re already being sued for having cooperated with the government after 9/11. So without explicit protection for future actions (and civil liability protection for the help they provided in the past), those companies critical to collecting actionable intelligence could be sidelined in the fight.

It has already happened, briefly. “[W]e have lost intelligence information this past week as a direct result of the uncertainty created by Congress’ failure to act,” Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell and Attorney General Michael Mukasey wrote in a letter dated Feb. 22 to Mr. Reyes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

- The old FISA law does not adequately protect the U.S., which is why it was revised by the Protect America Act last summer. The problem is that, although it has a few work-around-provisions, such as allowing intelligence agencies to conduct surveillance for up to 72 hours without a warrant, FISA ultimately requires those agencies to jump through too many legal hurdles. Those include the Fourth Amendment’s “probable cause” requirements, protections never intended for suspected terrorists’ communications that are routed through the U.S.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell writes in Investors Business Daily about the realities our military and intelligence agencies now face:

The House’s lack of action meant that at midnight on Feb. 16, the nation’s terrorist surveillance law expired. At that moment, intelligence officials who spend their days listening in on phone calls between terrorists overseas were legally barred from following new leads without first following outdated and cumbersome warrant procedures — even if neither caller is calling from within the U.S.

The consequences of inaction are real. Today, if someone in a previously unknown terror cell calls an eager new recruit in London, our agents will have to hang up the phone, apply for a warrant and hope for the best.

If a Marine in Iraq captures a terrorist from a previously unidentified terror group, our agents will not be free to call the phone numbers in his laptop right away.

If calls placed to these numbers are routed through U.S. phone lines, our agents will have to apply for a warrant, even though the people on the other end are overseas and the terrorist with the laptop is not an American.

Hard to believe? Sadly, this is the world we live in now that Congress has failed to act.

Here’s a real-world example of hurdles needed for dealing with 1978’s FISA and their consequences [via Stubborn Facts]:

In the early hours of May 12, seven U.S. soldiers – including Spc. Jimenez – were on lookout near a patrol base in the al Qaeda-controlled area of Iraq called the “Triangle of Death.”

Sometime before dawn, heavily armed al Qaeda gunmen quietly cut through the tangles of concertina wire surrounding the outpost of two Humvees and made a massive and coordinated surprise attack.

Four of the soldiers were killed on the spot and three others were taken hostage.

A search to rescue the men was quickly launched. But it soon ground to a halt as lawyers – obeying strict U.S. laws about surveillance – cobbled together the legal grounds for wiretapping the suspected kidnappers.

Starting at 10 a.m. on May 15, according to a timeline provided to Congress by the director of national intelligence, lawyers for the National Security Agency met and determined that special approval from the attorney general would be required first.

For an excruciating nine hours and 38 minutes, searchers in Iraq waited as U.S. lawyers discussed legal issues and hammered out the “probable cause” necessary for the attorney general to grant such “emergency” permission.

Finally, approval was granted and, at 7:38 that night, surveillance began.

Fox News also reported on it detailing the process federal officials went through to get permission to monitor communications.

I’m not claiming Spl. Jimenez would be alive today had FISA already been modernized. What I do claim is U.S. troops in Iraq shouldn’t be sitting around waiting for lawyers to deal with “probable cause.”

The stickler in the bill sitting in the House is a provision that would give telecom companies immunity from lawsuits that resulted from their cooperation with the federal government after Sep. 11. Many Democrats oppose that.

The Electronic Freedom Foundation has been on the front line in legal battles over terrorist surveillance. They also oppose the Senate bill that includes the telecom immunity. Having a strong legal bent they don’t realize lawsuits impose costs. In a “Myth/Fact” post Kurt Opsahl writes,

MYTH: “class-action lawsuits that would — that, one, already are costing them lots of money to deal with…”

FACT: Since last August, there have been almost no litigation costs. The cases are at a stand-still. There certainly have been no litigation costs since the Protect America Act expired on February 16.

Anyone who has dealt with a lawyer knows they’re always on the clock. Whether it’s reading a letter that came in the mail, talking to the client on the phone, or writing up a legal brief. Even cases “at a stand-still” have limited activity that’s costing someone money.

EFF’s Hugh D’Andrade hopes for compromise from House Republicans. To him that means ditching the telecom immunity. I have another idea. How about sunsetting the new FISA modifications to 5-10 years? The military and intelligence agencies need better tools while the telecoms need certainty that they won’t be raked over the coals for helping the U.S. government fight the nation’s enemies.

I too share the concerns of people worried about an intrusive government listening in on American’s phone calls and reading their e-mails. With that I also want to make it as easy as possible for the military and intelligence agencies to gather as much information as possible about foreigner threats.

If good policy is good politics then Sen. McCain needs to jump on this issue harder and take it to Sens. Clinton and Obama. He did well in an appearance on Larry King Live. He needs to do more of that. Conservative critics will rally to him when he uses is national security strength politically well.

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14 Responses to “McCain Has a Winning Issue with FISA”

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That’s because the House of Representatives led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused to vote on a bipartisan Senate bill that would have made modernized FISA.

That’s just not true, Sean. A bill to extend the temporary provisions to FISA that allowed warrantless wiretapping passed both houses of Congress and was put before President Bush.

He vetoed it. If America is less safe – and nobody except White House propagandists thinks it is – it’s because of the actions of President Bush.

And McConnell’s remarks are simply wrong. FISA already allows for retroactive warrants. Nobody has to “put down the phone.”

telecoms need certainty that they won’t be raked over the coals for helping the U.S. government fight the nation’s enemies.

If they didn’t break the law, how can they be “raked over the coals”? If they did break the law, why shouldn’t they be held accountable in a court of law? And why is it so anathema to people like you, Sean, that it be a courtroom, not a legislature, that determines whether or not the law was broken? Don’t you think there’s a separation of powers issue here?

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Chet, people and a firm can be “raked over the coal” even if they didn’t break the law. They’re called legal bills fighting legitimate and illegitimate suits.

After Sep. 11 telecoms assisted the federal government in collecting intelligence. That’s not a bad thing. It’s good when corporate citizens assist the government in protecting the nation. Such behavior should be encouraged not discouraged. That’s why the telecoms need immunity.

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Chet, people and a firm can be “raked over the coal” even if they didn’t break the law.

Then it’s the cost of doing business. If the suits are without merit, the courts should dismiss them. Determining the merit of the case is the role of the court, of the judge, not of the legislature.

It’s good when corporate citizens assist the government in protecting the nation.

Even if it means breaking the law? I believe in the rule of law, Sean. If they broke it, they should be punished, or excused if there was a compelling reason. If they didn’t then the cases should be dismissed. Either way I don’t see a place for the legislature to co-opt that power from the courts. I certainly don’t see it being so important that Bush should hold our nation’s safety hostage trying to obtain it.

None of this would be an issue, incidentally, if the Bush administration had simply followed the provisions of FISA and obtained warrants. At any point in the process. They could have asked first and then gotten retroactive warrants.

Instead Bush apparently asked telecoms to break the law, and had the DOJ threaten them if they didn’t comply. Sorry, Sean, but that’s definitely behavior that should be discouraged. If telecoms need immunity let a bill expressly for it be presented. Holding our security hostage to get it isn’t right (which is why I don’t see you even trying to defend it.)

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Also, one thing I don’t understand about your example – FISA has never required warrants for surveillance of foreign nationals, even if those communications pass through the United States. FISA only requires warrants – which can be retroactive in “emergency situations”, which really means “any situation” – when the calls of US citizens are being monitored.

When I read your links, I see that the sole source for this example – lawyers arguing for ten hours for warrants they didn’t even need – is the director of national intelligence, who we know has lied to Congress before. So I don’t find it surprising that he would lie to the NY Post, which is known to be a conservative propaganda organ.

In other words your example, in all likelihood, didn’t happen.

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>>>That’s just not true, Sean. A bill to extend the temporary provisions to FISA that allowed warrantless wiretapping passed both houses of Congress and was put before President Bush. He vetoed it.

That’s just not true, chester.

Dubya signed a 15-day extension on Jan 31. On Jan 12 the Senate voted 67-31 NOT to strip the immunity from the bipartisan bill (the strip an amendment authored by our own pitiful Russell), and passed the bill to the House. Since then Democrats Pelosi and Reid have blocked debate on the Senate-approved bill and instead used precious time and effort to usher the important national security task of resolving to cite Harriet Miers and Joshua Bolten. Pelosi then shut down the house and went on holiday.

In fact, House Democrats voted again just yesterday not to take up the Senate-approved bill.

6

Correction:

“On Jan 12 the Senate voted…”

S/B “On Feb 12 the Senate voted…”

7

That’s just not true, chester.

It’s absolutely true, MjM:

2/14/08: “US President George W. Bush on Wednesday vowed to veto another temporary extension of a domestic spying law and pressed Congress for a long-term fix to shield phone companies that cooperated with his warrantless eavesdropping program.”

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=109131

Congress offered an extension of the act. Bush refused. He’s playing chicken with national security to secure unconstitutional legal immunity for his buddies in the telecom industry.

Wrong as usual, MjM. Have you ever been right about anything?

8

Once again your incomprehension rears it’s large ugly head.

Fact: Nowhere in the article you cite does it state that Dubya vetoed an extension.

Fact: Bush signed a 15-day PAA extension on Jan 31.

Fact: On Feb 12, the Senate passed a completed PAA bill.

Fact: On Feb 13, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi(D-CA) refused to open floor for debate on the Senate-approved PAA bill.

Fact: On Feb 13, the House rejected H.R.5349, a 21-day extension of the existing PAA, by a vote of 191-229.

Fact: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi(D-CA), after failing twice to get enough votes to adjourn the House immediately so she could get a day more of vacation, spent Jan 14 directing the House to debate/vote on the following:

H R 4169: American Braille Flag Memorial

H RES 972: Supporting the goals and ideals of American Heart Month and National Wear Red Day

H RES 790: Commending the people of the State of Washington for showing their support for the needs of the State of Washingtons veterans and encouraging residents of the other States to pursue creative ways to show their own support for veterans

H RES 966: Honoring African-American inventors, past and present, for their leadership, courage, and significant contributions to our national competitiveness

H RES 963: Supporting the goals and ideals of National Salute to Hospitalized Veterans Week

H CON RES 289: Honoring and praising the NAACP on the occasion of its 99th anniversary

Simple Fact: A president cannot veto a bill never presented to him.

Too difficult for you to understand, chester?

No doubt.

9

Nowhere in the article you cite does it state that Dubya vetoed an extension.

“The time for debate is over,” Bush told reporters in the Oval Office. “I will not accept any temporary extension.”

I don’t know how he could have been any clearer, MjM. Bush made it clear that he would veto any temporary extension. As a result, Congress moved on to other business.

Sorry, but that’s a veto, even if not on paper. (Haven’t you ever heard the term “pocket veto”? He doesn’t have to write “veto” on a bill to veto it, he actually can veto bills that have not been presented to him.)

Simple Fact: A president cannot veto a bill never presented to him.

Simple fact – yes he can, and it’s obvious that’s exactly what he did.

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Very Clintonesque of you, chester.

Let us review, shall we?

You emphatically stated, “A bill to extend the temporary provisions to FISA that allowed warrantless wiretapping passed both houses of Congress”

As I have demonstrated, your statement is false.

You then went on, stating that somehow this nonexistent bill “..was put before President Bush.”

A contention false at face due to the previous falsehood.

Lastly, you stated “He vetoed [the nonexistent bill].”

False III.

Your newborn wormy take on the matter -”that’s a veto, even if not on paper” – is ridiculous and equally false.

>>>Haven’t you ever heard the term “pocket veto”?

Yes, I have….

>>> he actually can veto bills that have not been presented to him

… and no, he cannot.

For a president to use the maneuver of a “Pocket Veto”, the legislation in question has to have been passed and presented to him.

As no bill was passed, no presentation could be made, no veto occurred.

Wiggle away, chester.

11

You emphatically stated, “A bill to extend the temporary provisions to FISA that allowed warrantless wiretapping passed both houses of Congress”

I’m sorry, you must have misunderstood. I didn’t mean the same bill passed both houses of Congress, since, obviously, that didn’t happen.

You then went on, stating that somehow this nonexistent bill “..was put before President Bush.”

Fair enough. A bill wasn’t literally put before him, no.

… and no, he cannot.

Yes, he can. If he announces – as he did – his intention to veto a certain kind of legislation if it passes both houses on Congress, and then Congress reacts by abandoning the legislation, how is that not a veto?

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[...] Read the full post here. If good policy is good politics then Sen. McCain needs to jump on this issue harder and take it to Sens. Clinton and Obama. He did well in an appearance on Larry King Live. He needs to do more of that. Conservative critics will rally to him when he uses is national security strength politically well. [...]

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>>>I’m sorry, you must have misunderstood. I didn’t mean the same bill passed both houses of Congress, since, obviously, that didn’t happen.

To the contrary, I understood quite clearly your falsehoods instantly and still do: The House itself voted down a PAA extension. No PAA bill passed in the House. Not a Senate-approved bill. Not a newly House-concocted bill. No bill. None. Nada.

Repeat after me: No bill passed in the House.

Therefore, your statement, “passed both houses of Congress”, whether the same bill or not, extension or not, is false, and is in fact the house of cards on which every other of your false statements were built.

>>>then Congress reacts by abandoning the legislation

“Congress” abandoned nothing in this situation. The Senate did it’s job. And members of the House WANTED to pursue the Senate-approved legislation. It was the House Democrat leadership that abandoned the legislation.

>>> how is that not a veto?

Announced intentions aside, a veto is an official act of governance, not some hypothetical if/when/then.

It is all really quite simple:

The Senate passed a PAA bill Dubya would have signed. The House would have also passed that Senate-approved bill had House Speaker Nancy Pelosi(D-CA) allowed the House to vote on it. But Pelosi(D-CA), not wishing to delay her vacation and playing politics with the lives of every American here and abroad, refused to even allow debate on that bill and offered nothing of her own that wasn’t shot down by the members of her own chamber.

Continue to falsely claim Bush ‘vetoed’ some non-existent legislation if you wish, chester, intelligent folk perceive were the blame lies: squarely on your Democrat leadership.

14

Repeat after me: No bill passed in the House.

But that’s not correct, MjM. A bill did pass the House; they passed it before the Senate bill, and it lacked telecom amnesty.

Two different bills. Both houses of Congress. This isn’t a difficult point to understand, MjM.

Announced intentions aside, a veto is an official act of governance, not some hypothetical if/when/then.

Except of course when it’s not. Hence the example of the pocket veto, where a president vetos a bill by taking no official acts of governance whatsoever and simply runs out the clock on the current session of Congress.

So, no, MjM, a veto doesn’t have to be a specific, offical act of governance. You’ve agreed it can be as simple as doing nothing at all. Similarly, it can be as simple as announcing an intent to veto. It’s all the same; it’s the president’s veto power.

And members of the House WANTED to pursue the Senate-approved legislation.

Sure, some members of Congress wanted to capitulate to the president’s unreasonable demands. But the House had already passed an amnesty-free bill. Bush vetoed it in advance. It was clear to Pelosi and other Democrats that any further action would simply be a waste of time, and so they moved on to other business.

That’s time management. If Bush thinks we’re so unsafe without the extensions – a view that nobody beyond White House propagandists thinks is true, by the way – he shouldn’t have vetoed them. But he wants it both ways. He wants to hold the nation’s security hostage to big business interests and blame somebody else for it.

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