George “Hoover” Bush?

by Sean Hackbarth

Hoover and Bush

Scarecrow at Firedoglake is engaging in the latest form of Bush bashing. This one involves comparing President Bush to President Hoover:

As Ian noted, with the Fed’s monetary tools stetched, we could use some fiscal policy help from Congress and the President. But as if to mock us, President George “Hoover” Bush warned business leaders that government should avoid “overcorrecting the economy” — as though the problem we’re facing is not a Fed running out of options but rather a government trying to do too much instead of relying on the unfettered markets.

Markets? The Fed has already used $400 billion of its $800 billion of readily available funds trying to bail out the wizards of Wall Street, and is facing the need to print money — and risk inflation — to retain further leverage. The Fed is in the process of taking over and running Wall Street financial institutions, only a step removed from nationalization.

Meanwhile, we’re stuck with President Hoover and in desparate need of FDR. So it would be helpful if the media, who are recently into censoring black ministers, began instead to ask Obama and Clinton about how good their economic advisers are.

Like most Bush bashing it’s based on a falsehood. It’s a myth that Hoover sat by and let the nation sink during the Great Depression. Robert Samuelson, no rabid conservative, writes:

The depression is often blamed on the passivity of President Hoover and the Federal Reserve. This view is simplistic. True, Hoover’s commitment to a balanced budget—the orthodoxy of the day—precluded big new spending programs. And his decision in 1932 to combat a budget deficit by raising taxes sharply is widely viewed as a major blunder. But it is not true that Hoover and the Federal Reserve stood idly by and did nothing as the depression worsened. After the crash Hoover instituted a tax cut equal to 4 percent of federal revenues. He urged state and local governments to raise their spending on public works projects. Hoover also created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, which provided loans to shaky banks, utilities, and railroads. In 1931 he suspended collection of foreign-debt payments to the United States, which he thought were impeding recovery of the international economy.

In a review of Gene Smiley’s excellent Rethinking the Great Depression Richard Ebeling points out Hoover didn’t sit on his hands while the economy tanked:

Smiley is at his best when analyzing the follies of government policies once the Depression had begun. The economic policies of the Hoover administration were an unmitigated disaster. Taxes were raised and the government set up subsidy programs to prop up both unprofitable industries and wasteful agricultural production. Congress passed the Hawley-Smoot tariff that raised import taxes to a historical high, which set off an international trade war that ruined import and export markets around the world.

Hoover also pressured business and labor unions to keep money wages artificially high in the misguided name of maintaining “purchasing power” in the economy. That merely succeeded in pricing more and more workers out of the labor market, creating an expanding circle of rising unemployment. Anti-competitive price and wage rigidities were the primary reason the Depression grew in intensity as the early 1930s progressed, Smiley emphasizes.

On the other end is EcuProphets who gripe Hoover was a full-blown activist compared to Bush. Either way the current President will never win over his critics. He shouldn’t even bother trying.

“Bush Is Becoming Hoover; Where is FDR?” [via memeorandum]

UPDATE: To Larry Kudlow Sen. Clinton and Obama are more like Hoover:

Senator Schumer is calling Bush “Herbert Hoover.” But Hoover signed protectionist Smoot-Hawley, just as Hillary and Obama are today trying to break up NAFTA. Hoover signed a huge tax increase, just as Hill-Bama are preaching. The Dems are emulating Hoover. Bush is trying to stop it.

His history is right.

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16 Responses to “George “Hoover” Bush?”

1

You have obviously missed the basic point of referring to to Bush as Hoover. Bt cherry-picking specific facts, you attempt to undermine the argument. The whole point is that like Hoover, Bush refuses to acknowledge the fact that the economy is in the dumper! When Greenspan says this is the worst financial situation that we’ve been in since the 30’s, then Bush looks even MORE like Hoover when he talks about the “long-term” strength of the economy.

2

Demos, I pointed out the myth that you perpetuate that Hoover didn’t do anything to combat the Great Depression. He tried a number of things. He was a technocrat who liked to tinker. What he did was ineffective and disastrous like signing Smoot-Hawley and raising taxes.

3

Hmmm — so you say that “Hoover didn’t do anything to combat” the Depression and in the very next sentence say that “he tried a number of things.” Am I being too picky?

Honestly, do you feel that in the lead-up to the current economic situation that Bush (with a GOP Congress until Jan. ‘07) has been a good steward of this economy?

I think that the “Hoover” title simply refers to the last president that who presided over an enormous economic fiasco. It’s convenient, it’s easy for people to “get it” and that’s that. It’s politics, baby. Sometimes you can be technically correct and no one cares.

OK?

4

Demos, no I said you were perpetuating the myth that Hoover didn’t do anything to fight the depression. He did do things, bad things.

Slapping on the “Hoover” label shows you don’t know American history as much as you think.

As for the economy we’re on different wavelengths. I don’t think the government is a “steward.” The number one role of a government is to protect people’s rights. The number two is to handle emergency situations. I could go either way on whether the Fed financing the Bear Stern buyout qualifies. I’m leaning towards it being the lesser of two evils.

5

Well - now - do feel that the Bush administration has effectively protected our rights? I get the feeling we’ll never really agree on anything.

By the way -I didn’t slap the “Hoover” label on Bush, but I understand why someone might. I prefer to think of the Bush Adminstartion as globalized, meaner version of the Harding Adminisration. Harding is often ranked as one of the least successful U.S. Presidents, despite his immense popularity while in office. Bush lived longer.

6

*correction*
Well - now - do YOU feel

7

yes hoover did try to fix the problem… but as we are about to witness again; too little, too late, too idealogical, helps no one

8

Hoover too ideological? Hoover was more a technocrat than anything. He was a businessman in the 1920s thus he felt he should be a Republican.

To me Bush hasn’t respected the free market enough: the prescription drug plan and approving steel tariffs are two darks spots on his economic record. And he could have pushed for actual tax reform instead of some cuts.

9

And their names are not spelled the same !!

10

With regard to raising taxes, taxes will be raised only on people who can well afford it. Do you really think that the millioners who’s taxes will be raised, will stop spending just because they’ll owe a few more dollars to the government. Give me a break! Everyone forgets that when Clinton raised taxes in his first term, the economy grew! It seems that that for Republicans, to every problem in the economy there is one all encompassing answer: cut taxes. It’s time to face the music: government cost money. We only get mad when it is spent on someone else problem, When it becomes our problem, than it is justified.

11

[Democrats compare Bush to Hoover…]It’s a myth that Hoover sat by and let the nation sink during the Great Depression.

LOL! That’s your refutation? That even Hoover took more action than George “Chillaxin’” Bush?

In that you’re basically saying that it’s a slur on Hoover to be compared to Bush, I agree completely.

12

Aaron, I’m well aware government costs money. I’m no anarchist. Save those lines for Ron Paul supporters.

While I have mixed emotions about the Fed financing the Bear Stern buyout I realize the alternative, letting Bear flail in the wind before going bankrupt, wasn’t so hot either. The Fed might have prevented worse harm to the economy with their action.

As for taxes I’m confident President Bush is smarter than Hoover and won’t call for tax hikes during an economic slow down. I’ll leave that for the economic illiterate Democrats.

13

It’s not fair to compair Baghdad Bush to Hoover. Bush is a fu**wad beyond compare.

Not only a compulsive liar, Baghdad Bush is ignorant and uncaring as to consequences and cultures, who recklessly stirred the pot of chaos in that area of the world and wound up commiting numerous war crimes, endangering the national security of the United States and creating more anti-American terrorists all around the globe. He also will be remembered as the president who, in the name of bringing democracy to the world, trampled it at home.

Hoover would be rolling in his grave….

14

[…] Patrick McIlheran kindly linked to my post on the Hoover myth Leftists are tossing around and adds an important history book to the mix: Amity Shlaes’ The Forgotten Man. Yes, that’s a good one. It’s still in storage and didn’t make my move to Washington, D.C. Out of sight, out of mind. […]

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[…] McCain didn’t forget to rattle off his economic platform which is solid conservative Republicanism: keep taxes low; simplify the tax code; and continue promoting free trade. McCain sure didn’t sound like Herbert Hoover. […]

16

Odd how most dems start by claiming you’ve said something that you didn’t say, and then attacking their incorrect reading of your post.

Everyone Forgets?? They forget Clinton took over an economy growing at 4%. His tax increase didn’t “cause” growth. He raised taxes, and almost slammed the economy down into a double dip recession. Everbody forgets the “Soft Landing”, the Clinton/Greenspan economy that most closely resembles today’s slowing growth economy. Everybody forgets Clinton lied about his plans to cut taxes when he ran for prez.

Why is it whenever the Dems raise taxes on the “rich”, people with jobs have to pay more taxes?

Economics is more than just spending. The rich spend, sure enough, but they also invest. That’s where real growth, for the rest of us, comes from. The US does not tax wealth anyway. Wealth is property and capital. We tax earnings. Since cutting taxes in the early 80’s on the highest wage earners, who were paying 70% tax rates, the US has enjoyed almost non-stop economic growth. Over 50 million new jobs have been created. Raising taxes on the rich, I mean the high wage earners, is a return to the 70’s. No spending, no investment, equals no jobs.

Hey maybe the dems will give us that second great depression after all!

To the real topic, Hoover might have been much better off if he had done nothing. Unfortunately, he took many wrong actions. He signed bills passed by a democratic congress.

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